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jeffrey.miller

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2018, 05:58:00 PM »
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/portable-chademo-quick-charger

This is a pretty neat piece of hardware, expensive, but neat.  10KW max, which is a bunch for an older iMiev or Leaf but not interesting for a Tesla.  I could possibly see mobile "EV Rescue" companies using these devices.



In news closer to home the first sub panel is connected to it's main.  Next step is to wire the first 50 amp outlet, probably tonight.   


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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2018, 03:00:59 AM »
OpenEVSE is up and running! 
Much faster than the ole 110 outlet. 

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2018, 02:39:30 PM »
Great Jeff!  Does/will yours have network integration (an option i think)?

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2018, 03:40:20 PM »
It has the WIFI module in it so I have been using that to schedule charging and check on things.  Last night I charged starting at 2AM. 

Beyond that it supports https://data.openevse.com/emoncms and others as partially documented here https://openevse.dozuki.com/Guide/OpenEVSE+WiFi+%28Beta%29/14

It also supports API calls so I have long term plans to automate things based on those calls.  Long term I want to slow, or stop, charging when the price of power spikes. 


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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2018, 04:05:30 PM »
It has the WIFI module in it so I have been using that to schedule charging and check on things.  Last night I charged starting at 2AM.  


Great stuff Jeff!  This kinda of stuff really charges me up :)  i think i missed it... what are you charging?


It also supports API calls so I have long term plans to automate things based on those calls.  Long term I want to slow, or stop, charging when the price of power spikes.  


That would be awesome if it's doable.  Seems the power companies make it hard to get real-time data in a usable form.  Only screenscrapping possible now?  Else, smart people will start to actively "game" the real-time pricing programs and render them less beneficial for all?
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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2018, 09:44:11 PM »
https://hourlypricing.comed.com/hp-api/

Comed have several options on API's, and they are reasonably documented at that URL.  The trick for residential real time pricing is you get billed for the average for the hour, however at the beginning of that hour you don't know what the ending average will be.  So if you charge heavily through the first 30 minutes, at an average of 1.0, and then the second thirty minutes of the hour average 30.0, even if I stop charging 30 minutes in, I get charged 15.0 for what charging I did.  I have emailed Comed about this, and they said "that is our plan".

That sort of wild fluctuation doesn't happen as much in the middle of the night, but in the summer from 11 to 12 during the day it sure does!

As far as gaming real time pricing, it is an hourly average, which makes it tough to game. 

Also if you reduce load when prices skyrocket, you aren't gaming the system, you are doing what the power company wants, reducing demand in response to higher prices.  Gaming the system would require us to team up with large industrial consumers to tweak their demand for our benefit.  I have a tough time seeing how that would work though. 





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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2018, 06:13:05 PM »
Great response, thank you Jeff!!!

i'm glad to see they now (finally) offer APIs... i'll definitely take a look at that in detail soon!

Yes the "hourly granularity" makes it hard to optimize individual usages.  i guess, it's a bit like gambling at a casino... the more skillful players will win more often, not every time.  Over a course of a night (granularity) they will do better than the average player.

So.. some strategies come to mind on how to take advantage of (game) current ComEd policies.  Note ComEd can and will change their policies to always favor themselves, like a casino has, especially when more people start to "take advantage". 

Some ideas to optimize financial and environmental benefits via hourly-pricing, EVs and Solar PV:

- sign-up for hourly pricing with ComEd
- charge EVs/PHEVs only at night, especially in the Summer
- be very careful of AC use in the day time Summer hours - pre-cool house by turning the thermostat down to 60 until 7am, wear a sweater even if necessary to save some $ like a "5 mile jacket" :)
- don't bake or cook a lot during peak Summer months
- timeshift all electric-intensive tasks, like an electric clothes dryer or hottub usage to night time (off peak times)
- install a good sized (but not oversized) PV system that especially cranks out the valuable/expensive electricity during the peak Summer days - if the system is too large, it will generate more power per month than is used.  NO CREDIT is paid via Net Metering on a bill month to month. Zero net usage for a month is the best that can be achieved financially.  Any extra power generated above net zero will be given away freely to ComEd, which would be good for climate-change-Karma-points i guess.



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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2018, 06:25:21 PM »
Here is an API query (via HTTPS) for the last 5 minute price (at the time of this posting - 3/17/18 1:23p)

https://hourlypricing.comed.com/api?type=5minutefeed&datestart=201803171320&dateend=201803171320

Results in JSON:

[{"millisUTC":"1521310800000","price":"2.6"}]

aka 2.6 cents/ kwh

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2018, 08:16:53 PM »

Right now this is my favorite enclosure.  They do make a Stainless steel version, but I am not interested in parting with an additional $800 just to make it look prettier.  Besides, all the other electrical stuff is grey.  The only way it could be better is if it had a window, but I can cut some holes in it.  I will continue the hunt for something like this but with a window

https://www.budind.com/pdf/hb3731.pdf
SNB-3743


https://www.budind.com/check-stock2.shtml?product=SNB-3743



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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2018, 09:40:23 PM »
I didn't call for reinforcements because I was lazy.  On a positive note I did get some work done.  I finished the conduit from the second main to the second sub panel.  I made some decent progress in destroying the drywall in the garage and making it ugly with conduit (that is what my wife thinks of this phase of the project).  I have more destruction to do though!

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2018, 11:42:14 PM »
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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2018, 01:48:09 AM »
Thanks for the updates Jeff! If you need reinforcements Saturday’s work well for me most of the time.

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2018, 05:07:32 AM »
I worked today on the conduit runs and made some excellent progress.  I am not going to be done before the P85+ comes home, but at least the conduit running across the ceiling is done now.  Next up is to cut out even more drywall and install the second 50 Amp plug and the first recessed disconnect.  I have the conduit to the location of the two "mid" disconnects, and I will just need to bend the "kick" in those two short pieces and mount the disconnects.  At some point I will need to move the Spitfire out of the way so I can get a ladder in that corner and cut open the drywall to finish the last 6 feet of that conduit run.  I am glad to have the garage attic work done (all I can do before moving the Spitfire) before it got warm outside. 

More details and pictures on Friday! 

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2018, 03:15:10 AM »
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Bud-Industries/NBD-10469/?qs=CzuyTOUYZuSyeuu2mwym%2FQ%3D%3D

I am thinking this might be my enclosure to put 80 AMP charging stations in.  It has a clear lid so I can put the display inside without cutting any large holes in the door.  We can see my wiring (YUCK) and check for large sparks or flames that might indicate an issue! 

It is made out of ABS but I don't think I have a problem with that or not.

Thoughts?

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Re: January 2017 Jeff Miller Charging Infrastructure Presentation
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2018, 12:29:01 PM »
If the charger is in the garage, why do you need a box to enclose it?