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FVEAA News / Solar Tour this Saturday Sept 24 - Wendy Vernon
« Last post by bruce.jones on September 20, 2022, 01:36:37 AM »
For those interested in seeing solar panels in use, be sure to register and take the solar tour this Saturday 9/24/2022
Of note Wendy Vernon's house in Carol Stream is on the list!  (Let us know if you're presenting your house too)
https://illinoissolar.org/2022-Solar-Tour-Northern
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EV Parts For Sale / Tesla Wheels for Sale
« Last post by jeffrey.miller on September 18, 2022, 09:46:20 PM »
Selling some spare wheels for Tesla's I have. 
Model 3 18" Wheels, no tires, minor curb rash
Model 3 18" wheels with Pirelli SottoZero Snow Tires TPMS for 2017 to 2020 Model 3.  Won't fit Performance Model 3
Model S 19" wheels and Pirelli SottoZero Snow Tires TPMS for all Model S that show tire pressure on dash board. 
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/wto/d/crystal-lake-model-18-winter-aero/7535479895.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/wto/d/crystal-lake-model-18-aero-wheels/7535475990.html
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Meeting Presentations / Re: Picking the Right BEV For You
« Last post by simon.gibson on June 20, 2022, 12:51:13 PM »
Curtis,
Thanks for posting this. Many of the questions and explanations you posted actually apply equally to an ICE vehicle purchase, particularly with respect to fuel consumption. It is staggering to see people still racing their behemoth Urban Assault Vehicles on our congested road ways. I can only assume they actually DO have their own gasoline production facility at home!
Articles and books like the one you are writing would be a great addition to the shelves of the public libraries and school libraries. Indeed, perhaps we can create a list of books that can be placed an a shelving section in the adult and junior sections of public libraries?
I'm assuming you have proof readers for your book? There were a couple of typos.
Keep up the good work!
Simon
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Meeting Presentations / Picking the Right BEV For You
« Last post by curtis.lusby on June 20, 2022, 02:42:53 AM »
The following is another clip from the book I am working on to get off of fossil fuels.

[b]Buying or Leasing an BEV that meets your requirements[/b]

For people considering an electric car of some type there are a number of considerations: Many first time buyers of electric vehicles do not understand what they are getting into with a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). The questions below are mainly for BEVs since that seems to be the trend for EVs. I believe that this trend will continue for many years since there are so many advancements being made for electric vehicles.
1.   How much range does the vehicle require? There are tradeoffs for more range in a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV).
2.   How many people need to ride in the vehicle? How much luggage do you need to haul with you? Size matters.
3.   Does your home support charging an EV?
4.   Is an EV going be your only car or do you also plan to keep an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) type car for high energy things like towing a trailer?
5.   How significant is upfront cost and life cycle cost to you? What tradeoffs are you willing to entertain?
6.   Do you need all wheel drive or does just one driving axel work for your needs? How much driving on snow and ice do you perform in a year?
7.   Is off road capability also needed?
8.   What is the climate like where the car will be driven? If a person lives near the Arctic Circle, then an EV might be a bad pick.
9.   Are road trips a possibility? Do you have an internal combustion engine (ICE) driven car that can be used until there is a better network of chargers in your area of the country?
10.   Check on what type of plug is used for fast DC charging before buying a car. If the connection is a ?CHAdeMO? type as with what is used with the Nissan cars you may wish to eliminate them from you ?buy? list. Some 2023 Nissan EV models may be coming out with the more common type ?Combined Charging System? (CCS) so that fast DC charging is more available. I highly recommend buying or leasing a car with a CCS type connection or a Tesla Type 2 plug connection.
11.   Are you willing to sacrifice some of your personal time to save money?
12.   Do you really need a self-driving car?
13.   Would you like to product your own energy?
14.   Do you transport large objects frequently? Would a trailer towed by a SUV meet your requirements? How far do you need to tow a trailer and what type of trailer do you plan to tow? What kind of speed the trailer going to be towed at?
1.0 BEV Range
Battery range for a BEV is very important when selecting a battery driven electric car. In colder climates, a good rule of thumb is to take the EPA car range and divide by two to get usable range for where you need to go. Plus it is not a good idea to run the battery below 20% capacity. An example would be if one needed to drive 40 miles to work and there is no charging at work, then the car would need at least 160 miles of EPA range. Add on a 20% battery reserve and a 200 mile battery is needed for cold weather driving.
For highway driving at higher speeds, BEVs are very sensitive to headwinds. With high headwinds, the range might be reduced by over 30% and one may have to drive slower to keep enough battery energy. This issue arises because the electric car is so efficient with energy and all energy losses become very apparent. Newer electric cars have features that will help save energy. A heat pump will help save energy in the winter because it can extract heat energy from an already cold outside. Depending on conditions, you might be able to get three times the heat energy with a heat pump as compared to resistance heating.
My 2022 Bolt does have a climate feature that allows heating only for defrosting the windshield without starting the air conditioning compressor. This feature saves a significant amount of energy in cold weather driving. Older models do not seem to have this feature and it does save energy when clearing the windshield.
BEV manufacturers should consider listing energy saving features that are available on each model car to help customers select the right car for their needs.
Snow and ice tires should be considered to help winter range for BEVs. Cold weather tires provide less rolling resistance during cold weather because they flex more freely. Parking the BEV in a garage during cold weather is also very helpful in extending range. Preheating the car with it plugged in before driving off also helps range.
Proper air pressure in the tires is also very important for maximum range. Check the tire air pressure at least once a week when driving a BEV. Be sure keep the air pressure well below limits when airing the tires up cold.
2.0 Electric Vehicle Capacity
One should carefully consider how big the electric vehicle needs to be to meet your requirements. If you only need capacity to haul around four people then there are presently loads of options. As with ICE vehicles, larger vehicles such as a Ford Lightning pickup take nearly twice what a smaller vehicle such as the Chevy Bolt. If you have high electrical energy costs, this might be something you would want to evaluate. The Bolt will get around four miles per Kilowatt Hour (KwHr) and the Lightning will get around two miles per KwHr. If your electrical energy is nearly free like mine, it is only an issue when you need to pay for fast DC charging. Expect to pay twice as much for a large electric vehicle verses a smaller electric vehicle.
3.0 Does Your Electric Service Support EV Charging?
The quickest way to sort out what the capacity of your house?s electric service is would be to check your electric panel and see what size fuse or circuit breaker you have. If the circuit breaker shows, ?200? on it that would mean it is rated for 200 amperes (commonly called ?amps?) flow of energy at 240 volts of electrical potential. This would be plenty for charging an electric vehicle. If you see something less than ?200? then you might consider an electric service upgrade. Generally speaking, the power company you have would be able to provide 200 amps of service to a 200 amp rated electric box. Most houses build in the last 40 years would have a 200 amp service box.
If there are no slots left for another circuit, you will need have a subpanel wired so that you will have more circuit breaker slots available for charging an electric car. For myself, I had a dryer plug that was not being used so I purchased a charging adapter cord from Amazon and used it to charge both the Volt and the Bolt. The dryer outlet can provide about 11 miles of range for each hour of charge. My friend Jeff installed a 48 amp charger in my free standing garage that can add about 44 miles of range per hour of charge. Cost was around $600.
4.0 Is the EV going to be your only vehicle?
Since a battery powered electric vehicle (BEV) does not have the kind of energy storage that an ICE powered vehicle, one must understand there are currently significant limits on what it can do. For example, if you wished to tow your 5000 lb. boat to a lake that is more than 60 miles away with a Ford Lightning pickup, it might not work out unless you can charge back up near the lake for the trip home. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) range rating does not include towing or even going over 55 miles per hour. So towing might cut the range to less than half of the rated range. Also if you need to go 80 miles per hour, the electric vehicle is going to take a large hit on range because of the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle. In addition if you typically head into very strong winds, the effect is the same and the range will take a large hit.
5.0 Upfront Cost and Lifecycle Cost
If you just want just comfortable, reliable and low cost transportation, at Tesla might not be for you. The issue is the very large upfront cost of any of the Tesla models. Even used Tesla cars have a big price tag. Currently the lowest cost long range electric car is the 2023 Chevy Bolt with an MSRP of $26.5K dollars. For many people, they could buy the Bolt and make the car payments instead of the gasoline payments they are currently making. I have a friend who is spending $120 every four days on gasoline. There would be a huge savings if he purchased an electric vehicle. His cost for electrical energy is just 10.25 cents per KwHr. Do a spreadsheet analysis to see what your savings would be. A spreadsheet comparing cost is further down in this writing.
6.0 Two Wheel Drive Vs All Wheel Drive (AWD)
If you have to deal with a lot of snow and ice on the roadways during the year, you might consider an All-Wheel Drive (AWD) vehicle. With electric motors, the typical approach is to have a very simple gear reduction drive integrated with a differential driving each axel. There are a few like the Rivian pickup that have separate motors driving each wheel. The mechanical arrangement using motors is much simpler than the conventional ICE drive arrangement and should be more reliable and cost less to repair.
However you might be able to get by with only two wheel drive. A BEV is not like the older rear wheel drive ICE car where all the weight is not on the driving wheels. A BEV car that is two wheel drive will perform about as good as an ICE car with front wheel drive.
7.0 Off Road Capability
Off road driving is a bit different from just driving on ice and snow. For most off road driving a larger amount of ground clearance is needed under the vehicle. Tesla has some models that can increase ground clearance on demand to help with off road driving. Another item to consider is how heavy the vehicle is. A large heavy pickup does not do that well in loose sand or mud even with oversize tires. However the same vehicle might do very well in the desert where it does not rain often and mud is not normally an issue. One should look at how heavy the new battery powered Jeep will be when it is available to the public.
For myself, I would like to get a Subaru Solterra at some point for limited mild type off road driving. In the US market it will only come with AWD. Road clearance is pretty good and it is not crazy heavy. Another great choice would be the Ford Lightning pickup or Chevy BEV pickup equipped with the AWD. So far I have not read anything about a very serious off road BEV with skid plates to protect the battery pack.
8.0 Climate Considerations
In extreme low temperature climates a BEV may not make sense. If you are in Alaska and cannot put a car in a garage, it might be a problem. The battery setup does not do well with extreme cold. A hybrid electric car might make more sense with temperature extremes that can go to minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit.
If the car can be parked inside a garage it will perform much better. The BEV has the advantage of being able to preheat the car before you get in while enclosed in a garage (no emissions).
Another consideration is extreme heat with a BEV that does not have battery cooling. Earlier models of the Nissan Leaf did not have battery heating or cooling. I the hot desert climates, these batteries took a large hit on capacity after a year or two of use. I would not recommend these type of used cars unless you live in a mild climate. Almost all BEVs on the market now have both battery heating and cooling to make the battery perform with little loss of capacity over time.
9.0 Road Trips with a BEV
Road trips all along the west coast of the US are not a problem because of the extensive charging network that is currently in place. If you need to go north or south in many areas of the western US it seems to be a problem. I could not sort out any good path from Holbrook, Arizona to Seattle, Washington. The only safe thing to do was to go to California and go up the coast on I-5. The Midwest has a pretty good charging network as well as the east coast. Most interstate freeways have charging stations all along the path to where you are going. States like Arizona, New Mexico and Texas do not have much in the way of DC fast charging. Check for charging stations along the path of where you might want to travel to see relatives and such.
10.0 What Type of Charging Station? (already addressed in Q&A section)
As of this writing, Elon Musk is not going to let you charge your non-Tesla BEV at a Tesla charging station. This could change at some point because Elon could make a lot of money off of charging the non-Tesla cars. There are a number of networks that service non-Tesla BEVs including Electrify America and EVgo. If you want to purchase a non-Tesla vehicle, I would recommend that you get one with DC charging available with the ?Combined Charging System (CCS)? type of charging connection.  If the connection is a ?CHAdeMO? type as with what is used with the Nissan cars you may wish to eliminate them from you ?buy? list. Some 2023 Nissan EV models may be coming out with the more common CCS connection so that fast DC charging is much more available. I highly recommend buying or leasing a car with a CCS type connection or a Tesla Type 2 plug connection.
11.0 Sacrifice Personal Time
I think one needs to evaluate the lower priced BEV against the higher priced BEVs and what is really needed. For example, if cross country trips may only happen once a year, then something like a 2023 $26.6K Chevy Bolt would be the low cost option verses a Tesla Model 3. You can buy nearly by two Bolts for one 2023 Tesla Model 3 and they have similar ranges. So if you only wasted say 8 hours on charging while on a cross country trip, is it worth the extra $20K. Use the money to book a ticket on a commercial jetliner. If you are constantly on long trips then you might want something like the Hyundai IONIQ 5 that can charge very quickly.
12.0 Self Driving?
The self-driving car might be a good option for older folks that have lost some of their driving skills and have enough money to pay for this option. It is something to consider if you have the means to pay for this kind of option.
13.0 Make Your Own ?Gas? at Home
I hope everyone knows that you cannot make your own gasoline at home. However, with solar panels, generating energy for the electric car is not a problem.
You would think that most ?preppers? would really like the idea of having good transportation if cut off from civilization. Not only can you make your own energy with solar panels, there are some BEVs that can run your house if the electric energy from the utility company were disrupted. A great example is the Ford Lightning pickup. It can be charged with solar energy and it can provide electric energy for your house when the sun is not shining. So is preparing for a disaster important to you?
14.0 Do You Transport Large Objects Frequently?
If you have to frequently haul large items then a pickup might be the proper vehicle to consider. In my opinion, the Ford Lightning is an excellent choice. If you need to tow a trailer for more than 100 miles with no charging available, then this might not work out because the BEV pickup does not carry enough energy in the battery pack. Also note that if you are towing a trailer, there are nearly no charging stations that accommodate this arrangement so the trailer would have to be disconnected from the vehicle before charging.
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Meeting Presentations / BEV Questions & Answers
« Last post by curtis.lusby on June 20, 2022, 02:37:38 AM »
The following is a clip out the book I am working on to better inform the public on how to get off of fossil fuel. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

Electric Vehicle Buying and Understanding the Electric Vehicle
Common Electric Vehicle Questions and Answers
I believe most people would not wish to perform a ?deep dive? on electric vehicles to really understand all the issues. The Questions and Answers section is to address a number of false ideas about electric cars In addition, it addresses false information where the reader may not have the analytical tools and background to evaluate and dispel any false information concerning Battery Electric Vehicles (BEV).
 
Q: Why would one want to spend extra money for a car that does not have much range?
A: Many newer electric vehicles have plenty of range on a charge to do most any task within an American city. If a person can charge from home (or can use a free charger), the cost of fuel is generally 3% to 25% of what gasoline costs. Savings on fuel will eventually outweigh the additional upfront cost of a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) if the initial cost is not too high.

Q: Doesn?t an electric vehicle simply shift all the air pollution from the car engine tailpipe to the power station?
A: Not at all. The thermal efficiency of the conventional gas powered car (ICE-Internal Combustion Engine) is about 20%. A Battery Electric Car (BEV) is around 80% thermal efficient including charging losses. Long range power transmission costs about 15% of the energy. The biggest utility polluting power source in the US today is the coal fired steam power plant that is about 37% thermal efficient. Only about 22% of the power generated in the US comes from coal. Other sources such as a combined cycle gas fired plant runs from 50 to 60 percent thermally efficient. Around 60% of the US electric grid energy comes from fossil fuel. This means that around 40 percent comes from sources that do not pollute the air at all. If all cars were battery electric within the United States, there would be a vast reduction in air pollution around big cities as well as a vast reduction in CO2 emissions.

Q: Can I leave town with an electric car? Where will I charge it up?
A: In my opinion, the remote charging is the biggest issue currently in the US. Many states such as California, Oregon and Washington have a great charging network. Other states such as Arizona really lack ?fast charging? stations so you might be limited on where you can go in the state.
The types of connections for electric cars are the Combined Charging System (CCS), CHAdeMO (Japanese trade name used mainly on Nissan Leaf) and Tesla Type 2. Tesla owners can use an adapter to charge from a CCS connector. Across the US, there is not much of a problem in driving a Tesla electric car anywhere because of the vast charging network that is currently in place. This is not true for the cars that use the CHAdeMO type connector. There is no adapter for the CHAdeMO charging connection to use a CCS type connection. This means that any trips across the country with a Nissan Leaf may not include fast charging. To many people this greatly limits the usefulness of the car. Nissan is changing over to the CCS connection in at least some of the 2023 electric cars.
Slow AC type charge in nearly everywhere in the US. Any place with an electrical outlet can fuel up the BEV. Fast DC charging is needed to avoid moving at ?wagon train? speed when on the road away from home. If not driving a Tesla, always check for DC fast chargers on your route away from home. Make sure you have the range needed between charging stations and perhaps enough to skip a station if it is not working.
The fast DC charging stations have different capacities to charge battery driven electric vehicles. For example, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 battery car can charge very quickly if the charging station is rated to provide 350 Kilowatts of power and can charge the 800 volt battery system. By comparison, my 2022 Chevy Bolt can only charge at a rate of 55 Kilowatts and that is only if the battery is at less than 40% charged. So if I want another 200 miles of range, I will need to charge for at least one hour or more. So on short trips like from Phoenix to LA, this extra time is not much of a problem. I found that it does not make much sense to travel more than 350 miles in the Chevy Bolt per day when faced with significant headwinds because there are so many stops for charging. In contrast, the Ioniq 5 charging time is only a little more time than putting gasoline in an ICE car.
Some hotels do have charging available from battery electric vehicles so that does help some on a longer trip to start out with a fully charged battery. The Chevy Bolt would not be the best vehicle for covering a lot of ground in one day because of the slow charging rate. However it has a large price advantage over other long range BEVs and it does other things very well.

Q: Will I have to replace the battery once the warranty has expired? Will it cost 20K to do so?
A: Most all engineering efforts on EV lithium ion batteries have been focused on getting the cost down and extending life as long as possible. There is a small risk that a battery would need to be replaced. This risk can be mitigated by saving all the money associated with operating an ICE car and putting it into something like an S&P 500 indexed stock account. When buying a BEV be sure that the battery has cooling and heating. Non conditioned batteries like with the Nissan Leaf have had significant performance issues and I am very happy I did not buy one. Typical life expectancy of a long range BEV is 300,000 to 500,000 miles. Ongoing data seems to support these numbers.
Also it appears that the cost of manufacturing replacement batteries is going down year over year ?so it may not cost 20K by the time the battery needs to be replaced. It should be noted that used batteries can be used for fixed power applications so they still have value.

Q: What if I am in an accident with an electric car. Will it catch fire?
A: A quick online check of how well electric cars fair in an accident shows that the overall safety is very good for car crashes. Yes a BEV can catch fire, but compared with gasoline spreading around a crash site, one is better off with the battery in my opinion.

Q: Why is there no recycling of lithium ion batteries? Don?t lithium ion batteries represent a huge environmental issue?
A: Lithium ion batteries are recyclable but processing centers are not widespread at this point in time. It is nearly always more cost effective to ?mine? the existing products for the raw materials than taking them from raw ore.
Lithium mining is not environmentally friendly and nether is the mining required for producing an ICE automobile. For the most part mining is a dirty business.

Q: What if I get stuck in a snow storm?
A: While the ICE car is a heater on wheels, it uses a lot of energy to keep the engine running. With a long range BEV, and you keep the heat level reasonable, you will survive much longer than you would with an ICE car. If you have a heat pump in the BEV, you would be able to go many days with the battery energy.
Electric Car Charging
In some areas of the US the availability of fast charging stations for battery driven cars is a big issue. This applies to folks who do not have charging available at home as well as for people who like to travel out-of-town. In Washington, all one has to do is drive down the street to a fast charger and go shopping at the same time.
In Arizona, there are not nearly enough charging stations available to the public, Check your area for DC charging before purchasing a BEV. If you do not have charging available, purchasing a BEV does not make sense.
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EV News / Bolt New and batteries
« Last post by tim.moore on June 10, 2022, 03:06:26 PM »
Does anyone have experience with the battery replacement  of 2017-2021 Bolts???   We read that the  latest  news is  that the 2023 Bolt will have the new better batteries, better platform and  be priced 10K less than the 2021 or present 2022.  My wife read further in the Bolt forums that it might be best to start the buyback of my 2021 as it will be worthless due to the new 2023 being priced less. Any thoughts or experiences you  have had would be helpful.
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Hi EVeryone here are CCC's COVID-19 Guiding Principles for meetings at Community Christian Church
- like for 4/22/2022. (AND note we should be out of the building by 9 p.m.)
COVID-19 Guiding Principles
Community?s first and foremost concern at all times, but especially during this pandemic, is for everyone to be safe.
Community is adhering to the CDC?s guidance for all events and gatherings held at CCC facilities.
The more people an individual interacts with at a gathering and the longer that interaction lasts the higher the potential risk of becoming infected with COVID-19 and COVID-19 spreading.

● Be aware of local or state regulatory agency policies related to group gatherings to determine if events can be held.
● Consider staggering arrival and exit and limit attendance times to minimize the number of guests at the venue.
● Advise attendees prior to the event or gathering that they should not attend if they have symptoms of, a positive test for, or were recently exposed (within 14 days) to COVID-19.
● Wearing a mask is recommended, for those that are fully vaccinated.
● All attending must adhere to social distancing guidelines.
● Limit seating capacity to allow for social distancing.
● Encourage attendees to wash hands often. Hand sanitizing stations will be provided throughout the facility.

The FVEAA is not serving any food and drinks
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EV Parts For Sale / EVSE for sale
« Last post by mike.scott on April 20, 2022, 04:19:58 PM »
I have some EV charging stuff I no longer have a need for.
Below are the links and what I originally paid from Amazon.
If anyone is interested, shoot me an offer. I live in Naperville near 75th & Book Road.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AAKQWKM
AeroVironment EV Charging Station: 15' cable, 30A, 7.2kW, UL-Listed
Used for about 4 years to charge my Chevy Bolt - Paid $535, $100 OBO

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CP3J95D
BougeRV EV Charger Holder SAE J1772 EV Charger Holster Wall-Mount
Used - Paid $22 - $20 OBO

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08R6M8DNR
EV + Electric Car Charger Extension Cable Cord 20Ft - Level 2 Charging Station 32 Amp 240 Volt Extender for SAE J1772
Used for a couple months for outside charging my Chevy Bolt - Paid $185, $100 OBO

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07228K6PX
ChargePoint Home WiFi Enabled Electric Vehicle (EV) Charger - Level 2 240V, 32A Electric Car Charger for All EVs, UL Listed, ENERGY STAR Certified, Plug-in, 25 Ft Cable
Bought new, never installed - Paid $635, $250 OBO

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077D5C86M
MUSTART Level 2 Portable EV Charger (240 Volt, 25ft Cable, 15/25/40 Amp Adjustable) Electric Vehicle Charger Plug-in EV Charging Station with Delay Function (NEMA 14-50P)
Used once - Paid $400, $200 OBO

*** Looks like there's no interest in  this stuff. I'll see if I can donate to the Goodwill store ***
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EV News / Re: Wisconsin Utilities Out to get EV money
« Last post by simon.gibson on February 13, 2022, 01:16:15 PM »
This is a great article that highlights some of the obstacles to EV transition. Clearly municipalities SHOULD be involved and providing EV charging infrastructure to address the less served areas and creating destination charging in their communities so as to attract more business.
There is also a need to oversee the rapid increase in solar and other renewable energy sources that third parties build and getting micro-grids to properly integrate to the electrical supply grid!

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EV News / Re: Wisconsin Utilities Out to get EV money
« Last post by tim.moore on February 12, 2022, 06:14:13 PM »
I realize people want a piece of the pie, but I would rather have an established utility maintaining and taking responsibility for charging stations. If a company wants to have green charging, do it through an established utility.  Range anxiety is not fun, and independent chargers that are not serviced properly regularly can cause range anxiety when they do not work.
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